Check for web updates "non-elevated"

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All,

Last year I posted the following reply to a question on a newsgroup:

> We are working on a web update solution for SB7 that does not need
> administrator execution level privileges

In fact, we already have done this important step and have developed the
underlying technology to check for updates (and download files) on UAC-aware
operating systems even if the application is running "non-elevated".

That means, this technology allows us to let your "asInvoker" application
check for updates without any Credentials Prompt on Vista, Windows Server
2008 and Windows 7. The wcheck.exe is compiled from a SetupBuilder project
(source codes included) and can work completely behind-the-scenes.

Question: would you like to have this wcheck.exe application (and wcheck.sb6
source code project) in SetupBuilder 6.9?

Thanks,
Friedrich

Friedrich Linder
Lindersoft
www.lindersoft.com
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yes, yes, yes :-)

Best reagards

Kai

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>
> yes, yes, yes :-)
>

<G> Okay :-)

Friedrich

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Of course, you may redistribute royalty-free the WUPDATE.EXE and WCHECK.EXE
programs with any of your products for which you created installation
programs using SetupBuilder.

And the wcheck.sb6 projects allows you to customize the application.

--
Friedrich Linder
Lindersoft
www.lindersoft.com
+1.954.252.3910

SetupBuilder "point. click. ship"
Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

-- Official Comodo Code Signing and SSL Certificate Partner

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come on friedrich. you KNOW we want to have it :-)
thanks
Darko

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>
> come on friedrich. you KNOW we want to have it :-)
>

Yes, I know :-) Just wanted to check with you guys if you also need it in
SB6.9 ;-) It's already included in the soon coming SB7 beta update.

Friedrich

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Depends on how long it would take to port to 6.9.
Having the UAC prompt on web update checks isn't lovely, but I think people
are getting more used to it.

Oh... but I forgot... you and your staff of thousands have plenty of time to
spend porting features back to an OLD product <G>

Jane

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> Depends on how long it would take to port to 6.9.
> Having the UAC prompt on web update checks isn't lovely, but I think
> people are getting more used to it.
>
> Oh... but I forgot... you and your staff of thousands have plenty of time
> to spend porting features back to an OLD product <G>

<G> Good point :)

All development work is done exclusively on the SB7 source code tree.
Tested bug fixes are always "back-ported" (merged) into the SB6.9 tree --
specific important enhancements are also back-ported (e.g. support for
Windows 7 and Server 7). That's why we see the "(sync from SB7)" item in
the Release Notes for SB6.

I think it will take 3-4 days to port the "non-elevated" web update feature
back to SB6.9.

Friedrich

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Then as with any such question, the equation becomes whether it's worth
delaying SB7 for 3-4 days to port this particular feature back to 6.9.
Personally, I'd vote no.

But then... Lindersoft isn't a democracy <G>

Jane

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> Then as with any such question, the equation becomes whether it's worth
> delaying SB7 for 3-4 days to port this particular feature back to 6.9.
> Personally, I'd vote no.
>
> But then... Lindersoft isn't a democracy <G>

<VBG>

Lindersoft is not a democracy, that's for sure :)

Thanks,
Friedrich

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Hi Friedrich,

> That means, this technology allows us to let your "asInvoker" application
> check for updates without any Credentials Prompt on Vista, Windows Server
> 2008 and Windows 7. The wcheck.exe is compiled from a SetupBuilder project
> (source codes included) and can work completely behind-the-scenes.
>
> Question: would you like to have this wcheck.exe application (and wcheck.sb6
> source code project) in SetupBuilder 6.9?

YES!:)

Can you make this so that it can be set to download the manifest file to a
specified folder? With something like:

WCHECK.EXE /S /C /F="C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Mymanifest.ini"

Best regards,

--
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Port Angeles, Washington
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Icetips product subscriptions at http://www.icetips.com/subscribe.php

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Hi Friedrich,

> Can you make this so that it can be set to download the manifest file to a
> specified folder? With something like:
>
> WCHECK.EXE /S /C /F="C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Mymanifest.ini"

This would eliminate part of a projcet that I did recently where I used
nettalk to download the manifest to check it. Not ideal at all, and I would
much rather have this solution entirely SB based, but couldn't do that
because of the vista elevation prompt which did not work for me or my client
and would not have worked for his customers<g> So being able to download
the manifest silently is a requirement that I need to comply with.

Best regards,

--
Arnór Baldvinsson - Icetips Creative, Inc.
Port Angeles, Washington
www.icetips.com - www.buildautomator.com

Icetips product subscriptions at http://www.icetips.com/subscribe.php

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Hi Arnór,

>> Can you make this so that it can be set to download the manifest file to
>> a specified folder? With something like:
>>
>> WCHECK.EXE /S /C /F="C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Mymanifest.ini"
>
> This would eliminate part of a projcet that I did recently where I used
> nettalk to download the manifest to check it. Not ideal at all, and I
> would much rather have this solution entirely SB based, but couldn't do
> that because of the vista elevation prompt which did not work for me or
> my client and would not have worked for his customers<g> So being able
> to download the manifest silently is a requirement that I need to comply
> with.

Good idea. We can add this to the wcheck.sbX project without any problem.

Thank you for your suggestion.

Friedrich

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Hi Friedrich,

> Good idea. We can add this to the wcheck.sbX project without any problem.
>
> Thank you for your suggestion.

Excellent! I had already modified a copy of the wupdate.sb6 to do this when
I realized that it would prompt for the elevation on Vista every time it ran
silently which just wouldn't work for me. Being able to download the
manifest (I use an extra "forced update" entry in it to be able to create
updates that won't allow the user to use the program without doing the
update) and check it will make this much more robust for me.

Best regards,

--
Arnór Baldvinsson - Icetips Creative, Inc.
Port Angeles, Washington
www.icetips.com - www.buildautomator.com

Icetips product subscriptions at http://www.icetips.com/subscribe.php