Which browser can I use to signup for a Code Signing certificate?

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All,

Comodo provided us with the following information:

https://support.comodo.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=419&nav=0

--
Friedrich Linder
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Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

-- Official Comodo Code Signing and SSL Certificate Partner

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That "not compatible with Vista" part (as far as purchasing, nothing to do
with using the certificates) was something Gary James stumbled upon in his
thread from 5/5. Their ordering page just says "page only works correctly
with Internet Explorer."

Jane Fleming

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> That "not compatible with Vista" part (as far as purchasing, nothing to do
> with using the certificates) was something Gary James stumbled upon in his
> thread from 5/5. Their ordering page just says "page only works correctly
> with Internet Explorer."

Jane, Friedrich,

"The Code signing application requires ActiveX controls, therefore the sign
up can only be done using Internet Explorer (including IE7).

NB: You will not be able to use another browser for code signing

Compatible OS: Win2000/XP (not compatible with Vista OS)"

So, are they saying you can sign up for a code signing certificate but MUST
use W2K or XP and Internet Explorer (for the sign up part), but cannot sign
up for a code signing certificate using Vista and Internet Explorer?

David

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Read Gary James' posts from 5/5 (in the setupbuilder NG )
He tried with Vista. The dropdown for selecting a CSP wasn't populated.

Jane Fleming

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Neither is it using XP sp2

Bill Robinson

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> Read Gary James' posts from 5/5 (in the setupbuilder NG )
> He tried with Vista. The dropdown for selecting a CSP wasn't populated.

Jane,

OK, NOW I understand,

yes, I was curious as Gary talked about it, but without having gone through
that site, didn't realize the full impact of what was being discussed.

So, a developer who upgraded from XP to Vista with a single machine must
now BORROW the use of a W2K or XP machine from someone to buy a code
signing certificate from Comodo! Boy, oh boy oh boy! More hoops than the
clowns use at a circus! :-)

David

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David,

Welcome to Vista <g>

It's not only with Comodo. All WebTrust compliant CAs follow a standard
process to issue certificates. Try to order a Code-Signing Certificate from
Verisign ("Certified For Windows Vista") using Vista <g>

Interesting reading:
http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.492433.4

Friedrich

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"point. click. ship" - that's SetupBuilder 6
Create Windows Vista ready installations in minutes

-- Official Comodo Code Signing and SSL Certificate Partner

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I've finally figured out that it's IE 7 that stops me as I have XP but
cannot sign up. Guess we're out of luck, thank you MS...

Bill Robinson

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Unbelievable. Seems to me all the new technologies (Vista and IE7) are a
step backwards...

Friedrich

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I tend to find this is first impression and it usually is false. Granted we
are *forced* into doing things differently than XP and I don't know any that
like being moved out of their comfort zone <g>. With the latest
technologies from MS, this means doing something to weaken or disable the
default security settings. Unfortunately, there are many and scattered in
various dialogs. It could be flatter to make it easier for us.

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Hi Russ,

>like being moved out of their comfort zone <g>. With the latest
>technologies from MS, this means doing something to weaken or disable the
>default security settings. Unfortunately, there are many and scattered in

I have been using IE7 for several months, use it on my laptop, and I
still don't like it. Nothing to do with the security settings, but
the interface in general. It is the slowest browser I have and it has
problems with scaling for printing etc. I can hardly print anything
from it unless it's set landscape as pages always seem to get chopped
off. IE 6 and other browsers have no problem with these pages. My
IE7 is up to the latest from MS, but I still don't like it<g>

Best regards,

Arnór Baldvinsson
Icetips Creative, Inc.
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Arnor

> My
> IE7 is up to the latest from MS, but I still don't like it<g>

They are playing catch up with Firefox, who is still running in
front.....BTW, it looks like people start to notice, as about 30% of the
visits on my site are made with a flavor of FF.

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Like is another story, I'm talking about features. My first impression with IE7
was not exactly favorable, but after working with it, I am beginning to like it
more and more. ;-)

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Hi Russ,

>I'm talking about features.

So am I.

Best regards,

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San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Actually my initial impression of Vista (apart from UAC) was fairly
positive. The longer I have used it, the more problems that I have found
with it.

Except that file copying is slow and broken in many cases, networking is way
slower under Vista, and again, broken in many cases (a quick search of the
MSDN forums shows thousands of people who can't even copy files between
drives or on the same drive, and general issues with file copying
performance). The new configuration "wizards" are close to useless and
inexplicably take forever to do a task that I can do manually in seconds.

Vista isn't completely horrible, but there is a lot about it that isn't very
good either. UAC is completely and utterly useless, it doesn't work for your
average user and it just irritates the heck out of power users. Unless UAC
allows you to "trust" a signed application rather than prompting you for the
same thing every single time it is pointless, the same as Outlooks
incredibly poor "security" implementation is pointless. You can't ask the
user the same question thousands of times and expect them to press the the
same button every single time, except for that one time when they shouldn't.

The way they have buried settings is painful, and some things are
inexplicably missing (try configure file associations for example). Never
mind it's insane RAM usage and inexplicably poor performance in many areas.

My work machine runs Vista and has for quite some time, but there is no way
I would upgrade my home machine, XP SP2 is simply a better OS for now.

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I have to say that I am totally surprised at this. My experience is completely
the opposite and I copy/move files around on networks with regularity and
slowness or did not work at all NEVER came up. Ever. I saw only improvements
with how Vista makes it easier for klutzes to copy stuff. SAme drive, different
drive, mapped drive, I've done them all. VPN is still slow, but that ain't
Vista.

The jury is still out on UAC for me. Reading Jane's articles has given me pause,
so much so that I can't recommend folks turn it off. Mine is still on and it is
not as annoying as I thought. But I need to study this feature before I can say
anything more.
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> I've finally figured out that it's IE 7 that stops me as I have XP but
> cannot sign up. Guess we're out of luck, thank you MS...

I recently signed and got my certificates with XP SP2 and IE7...

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> David,
>
> Welcome to Vista <g>

Friedrich,

While I have my issues with Vista - overall, I like it very much - more Mac
like than anything before (I like visual!)

BTW, Besides some Microsoft products, there is only one program I use on a
regular basis that stands out for Supreme Vista compatibility! -
SetupBuilder 6.5 Developer Edition! I LOVE it!

The most fun I ever had in computing (89-90) was taking a IBM 36 office
operation (the smallest version some referred to as a Baby 36) - a four
terminal version a business leased for about $80K (most of the office
people hated it, and only used it to produce a critical daily report that
was mailed to Florida's capital for a Federal Job Credit program, and
furiously typed on IBM selectrics for everything else) - and converted most
of their major business applications to a Macintosh network developing in
Foxbase for the Mac code.

We started with a MAC II, added MAC SE's for additional Macs - coupled with
one IBM PC XT (originally only had floppy drives, no HD, used mostly to
hook up to CompuServe and get Credit Reports, Driving Records, etc - I
inserted a 386 board and HD, made it more useful) - I took the unused phone
connections from my phone experience at Tropicana and rewired the office so
that everywhere a phone existed, a MAC could be plugged - Even hooked up a
laser printer with NO computer attached into one of these outlets (only
non-smoking area in the office at the time) - My invoices looked like they
had come from a print shop! <g> Those were the days!

So I have been waiting for MS to bring more Mac like features to us for
quite a few years! :-) Who knew they would introduce UAC so Mac sales would
start to pick up again!

>
> It's not only with Comodo. All WebTrust compliant CAs follow a standard
> process to issue certificates. Try to order a Code-Signing Certificate from
> Verisign ("Certified For Windows Vista") using Vista <g>
>
> Interesting reading:
> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.492433.4

Hope is on the horizon! (of course, lots of well respected companies are
playing catch up with Vista - no pain, no gain!)

"Hi Joel:
My name is Troy Kitch, a product Manager here at VeriSign, and I wanted to
let you know that we're working on resolving this issue. I personally
apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you.

Thank you,
Troy Kitch"

David

>
> Friedrich


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Ahhh, the ol' Baby 36. I spent a lot of time - and made a lot of $$$ -
with those little guys!

Rocky

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On 12 May 2007 17:52:12 -0400, rocky phelps wrote:

> Ahhh, the ol' Baby 36. I spent a lot of time - and made a lot of $$$ -
> with those little guys!

Rocky,

In an odd sort of way, that is how I got introduced to Clarion -

BECAUSE of the IBM Baby 36 connection, I had to attend a monthly Systems
36/38/AS400 business meeting at a restaurant (great steaks), where a
programming friend introduced me to Clarion - I bought the Personal
Developer to play, got employed at my friend's corporation (where the IT
manager worshipped the IBM mid range AS/400 :-D)

However, IT manager really hated the PC people, but they had Clarion
Professional Developer 2.0 just for testing. I persuaded him to buy the
upgrade CPD 2.1, and I have been sold on Clarion ever since! We also used
some dBase deriviatives at the time, including Clipper, and eventually
dBase IV.

However, when I would whip up CPD 2.1 projects in record time including one
for the maintenace department (took me about 2 hours), but the maintenance
supervisor was a former programmer and estimated it would take about a week
to get his result (I handed it to him the next day using the other time to
work one some other company project I wanted to enhance).

I used the SuperModel at the time, had a query, put in a call, and was
pleasantly surprised to get a phone call from Canada the next day! :-)

David

>
> Rocky
>
> On 12 May 2007 11:33:31 -0400, David Troxell - Encourager Software
> wrote:
>
>> On 12 May 2007 07:03:21 -0400, friedrich linder wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Welcome to Vista <g>
>>
>> Friedrich,
>>
>> While I have my issues with Vista - overall, I like it very much - more Mac
>> like than anything before (I like visual!)
>>
>> BTW, Besides some Microsoft products, there is only one program I use on a
>> regular basis that stands out for Supreme Vista compatibility! -
>> SetupBuilder 6.5 Developer Edition! I LOVE it!
>>
>> The most fun I ever had in computing (89-90) was taking a IBM 36 office
>> operation (the smallest version some referred to as a Baby 36) - a four
>> terminal version a business leased for about $80K (most of the office
>> people hated it, and only used it to produce a critical daily report that
>> was mailed to Florida's capital for a Federal Job Credit program, and
>> furiously typed on IBM selectrics for everything else) - and converted most
>> of their major business applications to a Macintosh network developing in
>> Foxbase for the Mac code.
>>
>> We started with a MAC II, added MAC SE's for additional Macs - coupled with
>> one IBM PC XT (originally only had floppy drives, no HD, used mostly to
>> hook up to CompuServe and get Credit Reports, Driving Records, etc - I
>> inserted a 386 board and HD, made it more useful) - I took the unused phone
>> connections from my phone experience at Tropicana and rewired the office so
>> that everywhere a phone existed, a MAC could be plugged - Even hooked up a
>> laser printer with NO computer attached into one of these outlets (only
>> non-smoking area in the office at the time) - My invoices looked like they
>> had come from a print shop! <g> Those were the days!
>>
>> So I have been waiting for MS to bring more Mac like features to us for
>> quite a few years! :-) Who knew they would introduce UAC so Mac sales would
>> start to pick up again!
>>
>>>
>>> It's not only with Comodo. All WebTrust compliant CAs follow a standard
>>> process to issue certificates. Try to order a Code-Signing Certificate from
>>> Verisign ("Certified For Windows Vista") using Vista <g>
>>>
>>> Interesting reading:
>>> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.492433.4
>>
>> Hope is on the horizon! (of course, lots of well respected companies are
>> playing catch up with Vista - no pain, no gain!)
>>
>> "Hi Joel:
>> My name is Troy Kitch, a product Manager here at VeriSign, and I wanted to
>> let you know that we're working on resolving this issue. I personally
>> apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Troy Kitch"
>>
>> David
>>
>>>
>>> Friedrich


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It's not just Comodo, it's Thawte too. I just use a VM running XP and IE 6
or 7, then export the certificate and import it on my Vista machine.


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Sean Cameron
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> Actually my initial impression of Vista (apart from UAC) was fairly
> positive. The longer I have used it, the more problems that I have found
> with it.

Sean,

While in general, I would agree with some of what you have said -
particularly about the UAC - that alone is increasing Macintosh sales, my
experience is much more positive - however, I hope Microsoft takes the
initial reviews to heart, and goes back and improves for SP releases.

That winhelp32.exe replacement works somewhat for older hlp files, BUT as I
believe you had earlier pointed out - NOT good at all for Clarion 6 - even
SV has a blog with details to use an XP replacement -

I finally decided to approach it differently another way - I took Help &
Manual V4.3 and decompiled SV's C6 help and made my own CHM and PDF version
- searching and viewing is so much better, obviously not context sensitive
with the IDE but a good compromise, IMO.

http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/OS2Warp.html

"OS/2 2.x won over many Windows 3.x users because of it's ability to run
Windows programs seamlessly, while maintaining a stable system, something
that Windows had trouble doing. IBM even went so far as to trademark the
term "Crash-Proof."

I ran V-com System Commander, and could boot into DOS, Windows, OS/2 2.x
and OS/2 Warp at the time.

Back then OS/2 was one of the more popular OSs for continued development
for CPD projects because it ran separate DOS sessions VERY nicely.

A lot stayed in Windows 2000 Professional for quite some time after the
initial XP releases.

There will always be transitional OS alignment when a new OS appears for a
variety of reasons.

AND Vista sure changed the folder permission habits we had grown quite
accustomed to over the years -

but the reality is this - with very few exceptions - Vista appears on every
new computer in most retail stores, corporate will hold off for the most
part, because they always do,

but for those of us programming for the general public, we have to cover
the Vista way of doing things, And IMHO, working daily in this new OS is
the best way to acclimate yourself to the overall scheme of things -

however, some developers are so heavily immersed in current Pre-Vista
projects, and with the time consuming work of tranferring a work computer
to a Vista one, do not have the luxury or option of working in Vista
currently -

to those I say - get yourself Lindersoft's SetupBuilder 6 Developer,

http://www.lindersoft.com/setupscript.htm

Friedrich has provided an amazing tool for building your Vista install
release in minimal time.

Buy documentation such as Dave Harms' new E-Book -

Manifests, Code Signing, and Windows Vista (version 1.00)

http://www.clarionmag.com/cmag/ebooks.html#

And start to maximize your knowledge of Vista so your future releases have
Vista folder permissions covered (virtual folder technology is stop gap,
temp solution, not a good forward looking solution) and get up to working
OS speed in minimal time when you can test on Vista.

David

> My work machine runs Vista and has for quite some time, but there is no way
> I would upgrade my home machine, XP SP2 is simply a better OS for now.


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Hi Sean,

>It's not just Comodo, it's Thawte too. I just use a VM running XP and IE 6
>or 7, then export the certificate and import it on my Vista machine.

So basically you need XP to set up security features on Vista!<vbg>

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I think I was too hard on MS. But I am not "emotionally neutral" at the
moment <g> The last cumulative Microsoft web update patch for IE7 causes a
lot of trouble for me. I can't visit quite a few web pages (always get an
DNS error), ZoneAlarm cannot update it's virus definitions any longer (hmm,
anti-spyware definition update works fine). This started after Windows
updated itself last week. And then the "You Need XP To Get A Vista
Code-Signing Certificate" (trademark by Microsoft) story. It's all a bit
too much for me right now <g>

Friedrich

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<vbg>

MS can and does do silly things (they were the first to do away with version
numbers <g>). I'm willing to go thru the recommended steps (even to the point of
more work) just so I can understand something. I'm funny that way <g>. If I
feel I've studied something where I can affect a change or control something,
then I can state an opinion. But it is getting harder and harder to filter out
the anti-MS comments.

As of my research today, I have an overwhelming favorable view on Vista. More
research is needed. ;-)

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Now, Arnór... that's TERRIBLY UNFAIR!
You don't need XP.
You can even do it with Win98 <G>

Jane Fleming

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Hi Jane,

>Now, Arnór... that's TERRIBLY UNFAIR!
>You don't need XP.
>You can even do it with Win98 <G>

That's good to know - I still have my old 98 laptop around
somewhere...<g>

Best regards,

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Icetips Creative, Inc.
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Hi Jane,

Please forgive me for jumping in on this thread to ask you something
totally unrelated but here goes:

Firstly your articles in ClarionMag on Vista are great. In them you
have some great screen shots of the various warning windows. I am
giving a presentation at the Australian DevCon in a couple of weeks on
the Subject of how SB6.5 is used to overcome some of the hurdles. I am
using Camtasia Studio to record a number of the processes to be
presented and despite having been a Beta Tester for the product for a
number of years now I just can't find how to capture those warning
windows for say when you are installing an application. I get the
before and after. That's all. I presume you are using a static screen
capture program (maybe such as snagit, which I've been meaning to get
for a long time now). Could you please tell me what product you use
and if you have to do anything special? Even if I use a mixture of
static displays with the movie it will be ok. I need to do this pretty
soon as I'm running out of time to finish my presentation so any
advice will be greatly appreciated. You can email me directly if you
prefer. My address is:
gspillaneATdatadownunderDOTcomDOTauSTRALIA

Anyone else with suggestions would be appreciated too.

Best Regards,
Geoff Spillane
Data Down Under

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Oops.
Busted!
All right... now my secrets will out. :rolleyes:
The trick to capturing the Vista "are you sure" screens is to go into Local
Security Policy.
Under Security Settings | Local Policies | Security Options
scroll down toward the bottom and change "User Account Control: Switch to
secure desktop when prompting for elevation" to Disabled.
As I mentioned, the dimming of the screen and disabling of all regular
program activity is a function of the Secure Desktop. Now your screen
capture program (I used SnagIt for the ClarionMag stuff but also have TNT)
will work.
I also captured a plain desktop shot separately. Used Photoshop to reduce
it to about 15% brightness.
Then pasted the elevation window on top of it. Used Photoshop to touch up
the rounded corners.
Only to find that Dave Harms took the trouble to crop out my beautifully
dimmed backdrops...LOL...
We compromised, and he left one intact. <G>
I'll attach a couple of pics to this.
One of these days, I need to install Virtual PC or VMWare (next machine I
buy, perhaps). It might be possible to use that to do an actual Camtasia
capture of that Vista secure desktop... but I'm just guessing.
HTH

Jane

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Hi Jane,

Thanks for the advice but it appears that such settings aren't
available on Vista Home Premium. Another source had suggested getting
to the settings you are referring to via the Security Policy Manager
snap-in (secpol.msc) but this isn't on my Vista machine either. I even
searched all non-indexed, hidden and system files. It looks like I
might just have to refer to them verbally. Thanks anyway Jane.

Best Regards,
Geoff Spillane
Data Down Under

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I'll install Home Premium on a machine tomorrow and let you know what I can
find...

Jane

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Thanks Jane,

I've got plenty of other preparation to go on with in the meantime.

Best Regards,
Geoff

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Indeed, no secpol.msc on Vista Home Premium.
I thought I'd be clever and "borrow" a copy from Vista Ultimate... but the
Microsofties had outsmarted me (again!!)

However... I found a registry tweak that works.

In Regedit,
go to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Pol icies\System
look for a DWORD value named "PromptOnSecureDesktop"
set it to 0

No need to reboot.
Set it back to 1 to restore the original behavior.

HTH

Jane

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Hi Jane,

Thanks I just found the registry tweak myself a moment ago after I
viewed a little movie made by one of the Techsmith Developers which
gave me an idea of what I might search for in the Registry, and was
just about to post my findings here when I found that you beat me to
it. I should have known you would have found it quickly. Thanks very
much for all your help.

Best Regards,
Geoff