C7.2.7283 *NO* detection by third party installers!!

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I am getting annoyed because something here should be so simple - and it is
apparently completely out of my control.

Like Mike Burris in the third party newsgroup, I've tried various
combinations of installation of C7.2.7283 (on W7-64 Enterprise).

To 'do the right thing', I tried uninstalling and removing all traces of the
previous version.

And since then, over three days ago, I've had no success.

In my trials:

I've tried FDISK-Format-XP install followed by C7.2.

I've tried it on Vista Business.

I've tried it on a newly purchased HD - just in case - installed W7-64 and
then C7.2.

And in each case I've followed by trying to install some Capesoft and
Icetips products.

No chance - 'No eligible clarion version detected.'

I've tried Lindersoft's kindly provided c7utility_201.exe from January and
it has not been able to help as it was aimed at a previous version of C7..

What goes on?

I don't have any manual workarounds to correct the situation --- DO I?


Thanks for any advice.

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Jeff Martens

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Hi Jeff,

Are the install images you tried C72-aware?

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BTW, just for fun, download and start our LSZip installer:

http://www.lindersoft.com/lszip_clarion.exe

There is no need to install it! Just click through the wizards (unmark the
"Have Serial Number" checkbox) until you see the "Select Clarion Version"
screen.

I see the Clarion 7.2 option here.

Friedrich

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Friedrich, lszip install only detects C6.3 on my system.
Procodeblock detects both C6.3 and C7
A copy of VuMail from Valutilities that I downloaded June 6 detects
both my installs. The updated VuMail that I downloaded yesterday
only detects C6.3.
BoTpl detects both installs.
ABCFree templates detects C7

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Mike

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Friedrich, something strange is going on, then if it works on yours to show
you C7.2.

Thank you for your idea.
I downloaded and ran LSZip.

It did not detect Clarion 7.2 on my W7-32 or on the W7-64 machines.
On the W7-64 machine, it did detect Clarion 6.0, even though that has been
uninstalled.

I downloaded two copies of the C7.2 installer from SV, a week apart.
Both have given me the same result.

My version is Clarion7.2.7283, and Clarion.exe is dated 29June2010 1:08pm.

I am working only with the latest Capesoft and Icetips 3rd party items,
downloaded on 26June and 27June.

I have even tried disabling my Firewall/Antivirus program and that made no
difference.


There is nothing strange about my Windows installations.
When installing Clarion7.2, I have tried accepting all of the default
settings.

I have no more ideas.

Jeff Martens

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Jeff are you running on a FAT32 Disk.. That might be the problem

Jim

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Jeff,

> Thank you for your idea.
> I downloaded and ran LSZip.

If the LSZip install does not detect your C72 then you have an invalid
Clarion 7 environment installation.

BTW, if it still detects C6.0 on your machine then you still have some
specific C6 entries on your machine.

Friedrich

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Friedrich, and others who participated in this discussion,

Again, thanks for your ideas.

Your observations about 7.3 DO apply to MY downloads of the 7.2 installer (a
week apart).

In my explorations and using REGEDIT on two machines, I had seen "7.3", and,
as you indicated, assumed it was an insignificant anomaly.
I had assumed that somehow I had caused a problem in my registries.
I was wrong.
If you had seen "7.3" in the first few seconds of troubleshooting on my
screens, you would have pinned down the problem in the first few minutes.

I apologise for not mentioning I have the PE version and am running on NTFS.
This omission was an oversight brought on by my level of frustration.

As for vacations ... well ... I look out the window and see the cycle of
light - dark ...

Jeff Martens

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I ran the lszip installer and it sees only my Clarion 6.3, not Clarion 7.3 build 7280. This is with
a good Clarion 7 install (I installed 7.2 fresh and updated to 7.3) on Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.

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Ned,

Clarion 7.3 Build 7280? I only have Clarion 7.2 Build 7283 (note the
difference in the version and the build).

Friedrich

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See attached screenshot. Windows 7 64-bit (clean machine). I installed C72
Build 7283 and LSZip detected it without any problem.

IIRC, there was an incorrect C72 install out there some days ago. Perhaps
you have such an install?

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>Ned,
>
>Clarion 7.3 Build 7280? I only have Clarion 7.2 Build 7283 (note the
>difference in the version and the build).
>
yes ..... the latest Clarion PE version is incorrectly labeled 7.3
build 7280

I think this is the source of your problems !

btw : the lszip installer is unable to detect clarion 7.2 in my system
as well .....

Sandro Gasparetto

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Sandro,

>>Clarion 7.3 Build 7280? I only have Clarion 7.2 Build 7283 (note the
>>difference in the version and the build).
>>
> yes ..... the latest Clarion PE version is incorrectly labeled 7.3
> build 7280
>
> I think this is the source of your problems !
>
> btw : the lszip installer is unable to detect clarion 7.2 in my system
> as well .....

Thanks for the confirmation! Would it be possible for you to send me your
C73 uninstall .log to friedrich (at) lindersoft (dot) com

Thanks so much, Sandro.

Friedrich

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Try disable UAC, works for me.

Regards.

Pablo Williams

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check your mail .....

and give a look at the attached screen capture....

Sandro Gasparetto

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Lucky!

Jeff Slarve

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That's the same version info I see in the About screen. However, the last version installed was
Clarion7PE_installer-7.2.7283.exe.

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> That's the same version info I see in the About screen. However, the last
> version installed was Clarion7PE_installer-7.2.7283.exe.

I assume you still have a Clarion.exe version stamped as 7.3.0.7280 (or even
7.3.0.7283?). So version-wise, it is Clarion 7.3 and not Clarion 7.2.

Friedrich

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> I assume you still have a Clarion.exe version stamped as 7.3.0.7280 (or even
> 7.3.0.7283?). So version-wise, it is Clarion 7.3 and not Clarion 7.2.

Yes, my clarion.exe is version 7.3.0.7280. I will be downloading the
Clarion7PE_installer-7.2.7283.zip again tonight and compare with my previous copy.

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Sandro,

Yes, that's it! It is labled as 7.3.0.7280 and so it is impossible to
detect it as C72!

Friedrich

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>Yes, that's it! It is labled as 7.3.0.7280 and so it is impossible to
>detect it as C72!
>
yeah , exactly.
Let's wait for the next build ....
In the meantime I'm using it as IDE for clarion6.3 compiler.
(this is why I had'nt noticed the 3rdparty installer problem)

Sandro Gasparetto

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>>Yes, that's it! It is labled as 7.3.0.7280 and so it is impossible to
>>detect it as C72!
>>
> yeah , exactly.
> Let's wait for the next build ....
> In the meantime I'm using it as IDE for clarion6.3 compiler.
> (this is why I had'nt noticed the 3rdparty installer problem)

That's a nightmare scenario (especially a few days before our summer
holidays)! This completely breaks Clarion 3rd-party detection for quite a
few developers :-(

Is there also a 7.3.0.7280 EE version available? Did the PE users received
a new 7.2.0.7283?

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

I have Clarion 7 PE (and a valid subscription) and I did NOT receive that
(mystery) build. (I'm not complaining; just stating a fact)

Jeff

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Hi Jeff,

> I have Clarion 7 PE (and a valid subscription) and I did NOT receive that
> (mystery) build. (I'm not complaining; just stating a fact)

Did you receive a 7.2.7283 PE installer?

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

> > I have Clarion 7 PE (and a valid subscription) and I did NOT receive that
> > (mystery) build. (I'm not complaining; just stating a fact)
>
> Did you receive a 7.2.7283 PE installer?

I just posted this in 3rd party...

Someone mentioned (apparently Jeff<g>) that their PE install was 7.2,
not 7.3, so maybe SV posted an updated install and the early bird
downloads were messed up.

I can't download PE but if someone with this 7.3 version could rename
their existing install, download the current PE install and run a
binary file compare they could see if the install was changed.

<command prompt>
CD into folder with both installs
FC /B filename1 filename2

If they're different it might be better to reinstall 7.2 PE and see if
the failing 3rd party installs now worked.

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Hi Friedrich,

I received the 7.2.7283 PE installer BUT....

After posting my previous comment I inspected my Clarion.exe file and I saw
this: (see images).

Now I understand why I've had so much grief trying to install some 3rd Party
templates!!!

Jeff

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Hi Jeff,

> I received the 7.2.7283 PE installer BUT....
>
> After posting my previous comment I inspected my Clarion.exe file and I
> saw this: (see images).
>
> Now I understand why I've had so much grief trying to install some 3rd
> Party templates!!!

Yes, it seems to be still 7.3.0.7280 version stamped in PE (but should be
7.2.0.7283). So version-wise, this is Clarion 7.3 and not Clarion 7.2 and
SetupBuilder (correctly) did not detect it as Clarion 7.2.

We are adding dirty workaround ("7.3 version fix") to the SetupBuilder
runtime right now. This should finally fix it -- but the 3rd-party vendor
has to recompile the install with the new SB version.

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

> We are adding dirty workaround ("7.3 version fix") to the SetupBuilder
> runtime right now. This should finally fix it -- but the 3rd-party vendor
> has to recompile the install with the new SB version.

Just let me know when it's available.

And remember, send a bill to Z!<g>

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Should read "...it still seems to be..." and "...adding a dirty
workaround..."

I NEED VACATION.

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

> We are adding dirty workaround ("7.3 version fix")

Will this cause another headache down the road when 7.3 IS released?

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Lee,

>> We are adding dirty workaround ("7.3 version fix")
>
> Will this cause another headache down the road when 7.3 IS released?

Only if SV would version stamp that "real" C7.3 as 7.3.0.7280. But I am
sure they won't do it ;-)

The "dirty workaround" can detect the minor version of "3" and reads the
revision "7280". It then interprets this as Clarion 7.2 and not as Clarion
7.3.

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

> The "dirty workaround" can detect the minor version of "3" and reads the
> revision "7280". It then interprets this as Clarion 7.2 and not as Clarion
> 7.3.

And hopefully SV will correct it to 7.2 with the next release build.

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>>>Yes, that's it! It is labled as 7.3.0.7280 and so it is impossible to
>>>detect it as C72!
>>>
>> yeah , exactly.
>> Let's wait for the next build ....
>> In the meantime I'm using it as IDE for clarion6.3 compiler.
>> (this is why I had'nt noticed the 3rdparty installer problem)
>
>That's a nightmare scenario (especially a few days before our summer
>holidays)! This completely breaks Clarion 3rd-party detection for quite a
>few developers :-(
a possible workaround might be :
1 - install clarion 7.PE previous version .
2 - install all the 3rdparty needed .
3 - install clarion3PE latest on top of the previous, without
uninstalling anything.

it might work, waiting for ne next build ....

>
>Is there also a 7.3.0.7280 EE version available? Did the PE users received
>a new 7.2.0.7283?
dunno

Sandro Gasparetto

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Hi Lee,

>
> Just let me know when it's available.
>

SetupBuilder 7.2 Build 3015 is available. I hope this works around this
issue. We do not have such a PE version available and so we had to develop
code on a theoretical basis.

Please keep me posted. Good news only, please <g>

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

> We do not have such a PE version available

I sent an email to Z with a request to FIX this oversight so the ball
is in SV's court now!<g>

> Please keep me posted. Good news only, please <g>

Just sent a test program to a PE user and also posted a link here for
anyone with PE 7.3(!) to try out. Hopefully it's all GOOD news.

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Friedrich,

> Please keep me posted. Good news only, please <g>

You could have jinxed it<g> but you didn't - it works!

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It was fixed the same day it was first reported, within 1 hour of the 1st posting.
Anyone with a PE that has version resource of 7.3 can use the same download link
they already have - to get the corrected install.

-
Robert

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Robert,
I've downloaded it twice this morning just to verify, I still get the
same dl that states C7.3 build 7280. Last download was at 6 minutes
before this post.

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Mike

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It may be a caching problem either local to you or on the distribution server,
I'll have someone check it.


-
Robert

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Mike,
The cachefly network is a set of distributed servers with mirrored content.
When a download
is initiated its taken from the nearest server (geographically). We just purged
the file from
the network and then re-uploaded, it should propogate within ~30 minutes. Sorry
for the problem.

-
Robert

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Here's my dl file.

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Mike