Server 8 Installer "look and feel"

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That's how the SetupBuilder installer looks with that "flat" look of
Metro-like on Windows 8 Server (with GUI installed).

Friedrich

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COOL

> That's how the SetupBuilder installer looks with that "flat" look of
> Metro-like on Windows 8 Server (with GUI installed).

> Friedrich

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The SetupBuilder 7.7 IDE looks like this on Server 8.

Unfortunately, MS decided to keep the MDI "change" (not exactly sure what
they changed but they definitely changed something) in their new OS kernel,
so we see some threading issues now. I already noticed this in Windows 8
"Developer Preview" and my hope was that this was not a permanent change in
the OS. But I think it is.

Friedrich

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In Windows 8, it looks like this.

Friedrich

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How did you install virtual server 8 in germany ????

In france after updating vmware this morning to 8.02 I select the iso
file and use the key provided but always get a microsoft error message
of not being able to read the key

Lost with the fish and it's bubbles (am I regressing or is it M$ ???)

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Hi JP,

Try the following: remove the "Floppy" from your VMWare Virtual Machine
Settings for that new Windows 8. The problem is that the autoinst.flp file
contains the <ProductKey> and autoinst.flp is mounted when you start the VM.
So power off Win8 Virtual Machine, go to Virtual Machine settings and remove
the Floppy. Later, you can add the Floppy again.

Does this help?

Friedrich

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who has floppy readers these days ? 8-o

I had to order a usb one specialy for my controler card BIOS ....

Thanks will try this now

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BUG in VmWare :

If you remove the floppy during the install it does NOT remove it
You need to cancel the install then edit and remoe and start it ....

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> If you remove the floppy during the install it does NOT remove it
> You need to cancel the install then edit and remoe and start it ....

Well, that's what I said. autoinst.flp is mounted when you *START* the VM.
So it does not make sense to try to remove it during the install <g>. Not
really a bug, but a "problem" in 8.0.0, 8.0.1 and 8.0.2. You have to power
off the Win8 Virtual Machine, go to the Virtual Machine settings and remove
the Floppy. After that start the machine and the install.

Friedrich

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ooops - I must learn how to READ! <g>

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Wow, all the bevel effects are gone. <g>

Mike Hanson
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>
> Wow, all the bevel effects are gone. <g>
>

Yep <g>

Friedrich

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Seems to me look and feel is going retro. Dunno what the MS devs are smoking.

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

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Hi Friedrich,

I'm still aVM newbie.
I have one VM with Win XP, now I plan to add another VM for Win 8.
How DO you remove the floppy?

Sim

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Hi Sim,

> I'm still aVM newbie.
> I have one VM with Win XP, now I plan to add another VM for Win 8.
> How DO you remove the floppy?

In the VMWare Virtual Machine Settings for the new Win8 operating system,
select the "Floppy" and then click "Remove" (see attached screenshot).

Friedrich

[NewsArchive]

Apperantly that's a kludge. The proper way is to use "Install Later".
Tell it the operating system is Windows 7.

Mike Hanson
www.boxsoft.net

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The underlying message is that the world is too complicated, and even
the bevels are overwhelming. Simplify! <g>

Mike Hanson
www.boxsoft.net

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Mike,

> The underlying message is that the world is too complicated, and even
> the bevels are overwhelming. Simplify! <g>

In other words, DOS with Windows 3.1.

The more things change the more steps backwards?!<g>

I can honestly say that the vast majority of my customers would be
utterly lost with this "metro" inyourface. I fully grasp the concept
for pads and tablets with touch screens but not for desktop users.

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+ 1

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I agree. If you're not poking at the screen with your fingers, then
the Metro interface is rather pointless.

Mike Hanson
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From a futuristic Star Trek look and feel to Southpark cutouts. That's progress
for you! <g>

Russell B. Eggen
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[NewsArchive]

<g>

Mike Hanson
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It seems the Windows 8 UI uses flat where the Windows 7 UI used beveled, but
the Windows 8 UI uses beveled and color on tabs where the Windows 7 UI tabs
were flat and white.

Do you want to see examples?

Bob

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XP Forever!!!!

Jane Fleming

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MS Bob rulz!

Russell B. Eggen
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I use it many hours a day. It does it's thing.

Jeff Slarve
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I'll join your choir.

It's definitely not cooler.

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You're just saying that 'cause you're not a 15 year old boy working out of
his parents' basement.

(At least.... I don't think you are...... )<g>

Jane Fleming

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Jane,

> You're just saying that 'cause you're not a 15 year old boy working out of
> his parents' basement.
>
> (At least.... I don't think you are...... )<g>

It's ok.... he's older than that!<g>

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MS Progress[tm]<g>

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I would flatten it more,

Hey, do you get to choose from all 16 colors in the pallete when working
with themes?

db

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As many colors as that? Woo-hoo! <g>

Russell B. Eggen
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David,

> Hey, do you get to choose from all 16 colors in the pallete when working
> with themes?

You only get 9 for your "start page!"<g>

Lee White

[NewsArchive]

Whoever wrote all the CPD demos is definitely working for MS now.<g>

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Windows 9 will be MS-DOS.


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Jeff,

> Windows 9 will be MS-DOS.

And the world shall be right... once again.<g>

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Lee

Just so long as we can have a fresh CDD 3.1 <g>

JohnG

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John,

> Just so long as we can have a fresh CDD 3.1 <g>

I still have the diskettes for CPD too!

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Hi Lee

I've still got CDD 3.102 installed on my machine.

Ben E. Brady

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Ben,

> I've still got CDD 3.102 installed on my machine.

I don't have 3 installed but these files are and they seem somewhat
familiar!<g>

Ccmp.exe
Ccvt.exe
Cdes.exe
Cdir.exe
Cedt.exe
Cfil.exe
Chlp.exe
Compare.exe
Cpro.exe
Crun.exe
Cscn.exe
Csrt.exe
Ctlr.exe
Ctrn.exe
Cwc.exe
Cwclar.exe
Cwd.exe
Cxrf.exe
Fc.exe
Lharc.exe
Om4.exe

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Hi Lee,
Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of those files lately myself. I'm working on converting an old CPD 2.110 app to export to xml files.

Ben E. Brady

[NewsArchive]

>
> Windows 9 will be MS-DOS.
>

"640K ought to be enough for anybody." :-)

Friedrich

[NewsArchive]

Hi Friedrich,

> Unfortunately, MS decided to keep the MDI "change"...

What does that mean for my Clarion 6.3 end-user application when running
on Windows 8?
I have a frame with a menu from which I START my procedures.
What issues can we expect with our applications compiled with Clarion
5/6.3/etc.?

Best regards,
Jeffrey

[NewsArchive]

Jeffrey,

> What does that mean for my Clarion 6.3 end-user application when running
> on Windows 8?
> I have a frame with a menu from which I START my procedures.
> What issues can we expect with our applications compiled with Clarion
> 5/6.3/etc.?

You have to test this. It's very well possible that your application is not
affected by this. Our SetupBuilder IDE makes heavy use of MDI and threads.
Of course, the compiled setup.exe is not affected.

BTW, they have fixed the non-movable-MDI-window bug in Win8 Consumer Preview
and Server 8.

Friedrich

[NewsArchive]

Flip flop. <g>

Mike Hanson
www.boxsoft.net

[NewsArchive]

That sounds pretty good, actually<g>

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[NewsArchive]

Hmmmm...

Good
Better
Best?


I guess nine colors makes it easier to decide.
That should cut at least a few UI meetings!

db

[NewsArchive]

>"640K ought to be enough for anybody." :-)

640G ought be be enough for anybody. <g>

Mike Hanson
www.boxsoft.net

[NewsArchive]

>>"640K ought to be enough for anybody." :-)
>
> 640G ought be be enough for anybody. <g>

<G> ;-)

Friedrich

[NewsArchive]

Give me that and a two color interface and I'll rule the world!

Is it fast?
I don't even know if it's street legal.

db

[NewsArchive]

Does it flicker?<g>

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[NewsArchive]

Can't wait for the 60inch HD 3D LED LCD flat screen monochrome monitor.

Black and lime green... a winning combo!

Luke, come to the DOS side.

db

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That will look good on my IMAX laptop.

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

[NewsArchive]

Hi Russ,

> Seems to me look and feel is going retro. Dunno what the MS devs are smoking.

It's simpler to draw straight lines than curved. Even _I_ can draw straight
lines - with a ruler;)

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My thoughts exactly - the eye candy flips and flops depending on the gel the
age group is wearing. It is quite hysterical the older one gets.....

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

History/fashion always repeats itself. <g>

Mike Hanson
www.boxsoft.net

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It sure does - and it does not come with the psycho problems the rest of the
versions do. In understand the maestro Friedrich is still using it...

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

> It sure does - and it does not come with the psycho problems the rest of
> the versions do. In understand the maestro Friedrich is still using it...

Yep. My high-performance mobile workstation is running Windows 7 Ultimate
x64 with nothing else installed except VMWare 8.0.2. Then all kind of
Windows OSs running as VMs in VMWare, but 95% of my daily work is done on
good old XP SP3 <g>. VMWare is really the best thing since sliced bread --
it gives me the freedom to continue to work with XP for a very long to to
come. And in case I have to do something on Windows 7 (e.g. because I need
access to VS2010 with the latest development kit installed), one click and I
am there.

Friedrich

[NewsArchive]

Funny - still using it here....

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

ROFL!!!

This is retro like I have never seen before. It looks like them fashion
parade gang planks - predictable revamp old stuff every so and so years <g>

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

LOL

Top be specific DOS 1.0

J André Labuschagné

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You don't remember Windows 286? <g>

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

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I was referring to an OS, not a chipset.

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

Fair enough. Win 286 was really a DOS program <g>.

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

[NewsArchive]

Agreed - it is quite funny when you have been in this for as long as I
have......

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

Never heard of it. Only ever heard of DOS running on 286 machines. Before
that XTs.

J André Labuschagné

[NewsArchive]

Windows 386 was also a DOS program, but supported multi-tasking. Deskview-X was
far superior and looked fantastic doing it. Come to think of it, DVX looks better
than Metro <g>

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

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I loved DESQview! Never used DESQview/X though. I skipped that whole
X-Windows thing.

Mike Hanson
www.boxsoft.net

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> I loved DESQview! Never used DESQview/X though. I skipped that whole
> X-Windows thing.

OS/2
OS/2
OS/2
OS/2
OS/2

:-)

Charles

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Hi Andre,

> Never heard of it. Only ever heard of DOS running on 286 machines. Before
> that XTs.

Windows 1 came out in Nov. 1985. A friend of mine had a 286 with windows
2.0 in 1990 (before 3.0 came out). See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_2.0

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I also used OS/2 for a couple of years, and remember coming to the
decision that it made more sense for me to be running Windows, even
though OS/2 was better. If I had had VMware at the time, though, then
I might still be running OS/2 today. <g>

Mike Hanson
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> I also used OS/2 for a couple of years, and remember coming to the
> decision that it made more sense for me to be running Windows, even
> though OS/2 was better. If I had had VMware at the time, though, then
> I might still be running OS/2 today. <g>

:-)

I loved OS/2 - even used it in Clarion development in the early days.

It was cool that you could set the environment to a lower base amount of
RAM ( 256K or 384K ) so you could see what your apps would run like on a
machine so configured.

I also had it set to boot different OS's ( MS-DOS, PC-DOS and DR-DOS ) as
well as different versions of each.

So I guess in reality I was VM'ing it a long time ago.

:-)

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I did too. I finally had to give it up as it was so far behind the
current hardware. I really loved loading all those floppies to install
it. ;)

> I loved OS/2

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Tried to use it in Auckland and eventually gave up, even with the IBM team's
assistance. Eventually saw NT being installed in its place at the client.

J André Labuschagné

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I had three machine on OS/2.

DR DOS rocked!

Remember DR's GEM?

IBM should have bought Apple and ported over the MAC OS to OS/3!

db

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Yeah!

I set up my first customer's lan, using DrDOS and PowerLAN networking
software. Then onto Netware 3.12<g>

>
>DR DOS rocked!

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Jeff,

> Then onto Netware 3.12<g>

Too easy with NLM's!

I started with the "if you want to add another LPT port you have to
rebuild the entire kernel" version. Insert disk 1, twiddle thumbs -
insert disk 42 and 1/2, twiddle some more - oops your server died...
insert disk 1...<g>

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Yeah!
But it was fun!

db

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> I started with the "if you want to add another LPT port you have to
> rebuild the entire kernel" version. Insert disk 1, twiddle thumbs -
> insert disk 42 and 1/2, twiddle some more - oops your server died...
> insert disk 1...<g>

One thing about Netware. If you were having problems with it, it was
either bad hardware or whoever installed it did not know what they were
doing.

Netware rocked and was always better than any Microsoft crap.

Too bad Novell sucked at marketing.

Microsoft understood the whorehouse principal better than they did.

:-)

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There was definitely a whole lot of handwringing and floppy waiting.

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Then we could trade Steve Jobs jokes <bg>.

Russell B. Eggen
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> DR DOS rocked!

Absolutely - far better than MS or PC DOS.

> Remember DR's GEM?

Yes I do!


> IBM should have bought Apple and ported over the MAC OS to OS/3!

That would have been cool<g>

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>> Remember DR's GEM?
> Yes I do!
I was a big time user of Ventura Publisher in those days. We ran GEM on
about 5 or 6 machines back then.
We has the spreadsheet app and a few others. I did buy the GEM SDK though I
never really did anything with it.
Lack of software killed it.


db

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> I was a big time user of Ventura Publisher in those days.

I used Ventura Publisher a lot back then too.

> Lack of software killed it.

Indeed.

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> I also used OS/2 for a couple of years, and remember coming to the
> decision that it made more sense for me to be running Windows, even
> though OS/2 was better. If I had had VMware at the time, though, then
> I might still be running OS/2 today. <g>

Mike,

OS/2 - definitely the best OS in it's time - but IBM marketing techniques
and MS squabbles definitely cut it's useful life shorter for most of us.

Like all OSs, eventually there is a hardware shortcoming - imcompatibility
that effectively kills the OS, unless re-written for the latest processor
technology.

Many moons ago - I LOVED OS/2 and OS/2 Warp for Clarion Professional
Developer 2.1 DOS work - had a boot manager to get back into the Windows
flavor of the day as needed.

If I recall the "rumors" correctly - MS used IBM OS/2 development funds in
their Windows development/research, while of course, both IBM and MS
battled each other over OS direction and overall development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2

"IBM grew concerned about the delays in development of OS/2 2.0 and the
diversion of IBM funds earmarked for OS/2 development towards
Windows.[citation needed]"

http://www.os2bbs.com/os2news/os2history.html

"By late 1990, Microsoft had intensified its disagreements with IBM to the
point where IBM decided that it would have to take some overt action to
ensure that OS/2 development continued at a reasonable pace.

IBM, therefore, took over complete development responsibility for OS/2 1.x,
even though it was in its dying days, and OS/2 2.00. Microsoft would
continue development on Windows and OS/2 3.00. Shortly after this split,
Microsoft renamed OS/2 V3 to Windows NT."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2

BTW, here is an interesting side story how OS/2 and Russian software
developers helped birth Parallels, Inc.

"A large bank in Moscow needed a way to use OS/2 on newer hardware that
OS/2 did not support. As virtualization software is an easy way around
this, the company desired to run OS/2 under a hypervisor.

Once it was determined that VMware was not a possibility, it hired a group
of Russian software developers to write a host-based hypervisor that would
officially support OS/2. Thus, the Parallels, Inc. company and their
Parallels Workstation was born"

http://www.itjungle.com/breaking/bn090705-story01.html

Downloaded some recent Parallels User Guide type PDFs - there is reference
to OS/2 - but clerical errors - trademark reference, no further OS/2
reference - also OS/2 listed in Index, but does not appear on the indexed
page.

David

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Thanks for the history lesson. It's amazing how human politics are
often the determining factor in the technical world.

Mike Hanson
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Very interesting, David! I just found my old OS/2 Warp installation disks.
Oh boy, good old times <g>

Friedrich

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> Very interesting, David! I just found my old OS/2 Warp installation disks.
> Oh boy, good old times <g>

Friedrich,

OK, next step - do you have one of these in mothballs - computer with Intel
80286 processor - so you can fire it up and check out your favorite DOS
programs?! :-D

BTW, recently fired up an old processor - computer close to that timeline -
Atari ST 1040 - based on same Motorola 68000 processor as Macintosh Plus
(era 1987) - with Atari monochrome monitor - AND it still worked. Of
course, outdated software from that timeframe makes it a VERY awkward
paperweight! :-D

David

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The writing was on the wall for OS/2 by the time Windows 95 started
being viable.

I used OS/2 because Greg Baily told me to<g>. It was pretty nice, once
I figured out how to use it.

Jeff Slarve
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Missed out entirely.

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

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Hooked up to an Altos 486 (Unix) by simply connecting the serial cables. The
Altos was just another window under DeskView X. And all windows were infinitely
scalable. Made porting code to the Altos very simple. Almost as simple as using
SetupBuilder <g>.

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

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386 was a chipset, not an operating system nor a program. DOS was the
operating system and then windows. There was also DRDOS that ran on these
chipsets.

J André Labuschagné

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Windows/386 (Released May 1988)
A version of Windows 2.10 that took avantage of the 80386 processor.

Introduced a Protected Mode Kernel where the GUI ran and application ran in
a virtual 8086 task.
Allowed parallel MSDOS exes to run in a VDM 8086 instead of supending them
in the background.
EMS emulation.
DOS apps could access unused low memory.
Did not work with popualr third party memory managers.

db

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Yep - Windows eventually ran on these machines as well. My point was that
286 was a chipset, not an operating system.

J André Labuschagné

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André,

> Yep - Windows eventually ran on these machines as well. My point was that
> 286 was a chipset, not an operating system.

Yes and no.<g> Yes, 80286 and 80386 were chips.

Windows/256 and Windows/386, although not OS's, were versions of
Windows. Check out the attached images.

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OK - semantics...

Was there a windows 586?

J André Labuschagné

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It was called Penta-Windows

;)

> Was there a windows 586?

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That would be Windows XP (Intel Pentium I & AMD K6-2)
Windows 2000 and Windows-ME had a minimum requirement CPU = i586 too.
But Windows XP is not compatible with processors older than Pentium (such as
486) because it requires CMPXCHG8B instructions

db

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Seems like this repeats itself with age <g>

J Andé Labuschagné

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No wonder Clarion is not up with the big boys. All of us oldies are the only
ones using it. Still had my old Z80 based system with 8k RAM until the last
time I moved house. I did upgrade it to 32k and a casette drive at one time
in the distant past.

Neville Wright

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The funny thing about Clarion is that it still enables us to provide
functionality that our competitors can only dream of. Go figure.

J André Labuschagné

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Yeah, it has a great beat and it is easy to dance to.

db

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And it has it's own disco ball (screen flicker)<g>

Jeff Slarve
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ROFL!

Gets them going it does <vbg>

J André Labuschagné

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Which fortunately there is Stardock. I used Stardock before.. and now they
have 'Fences' which really helped me unclutter my desktop.

I still use my old XP machine at work.. need to upgrade to Win7... now I
know I can still run XP though on a VM. Guess I need to go and find a decent
machine.

Ray
VMT

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So do I... I actually use it for my data conversions because I kept my main
files as .dat clarion files and kept them backwards compatible (field names
under 12 characters)... and I actually have people still running our dos
programs... so I'll be all set!

Ray
VMT

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Well, I only needed a 16k eprom to write a complete DOS for a Commodore hard
drive... so 640K is a ton of space!

Ray
VMT

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so we had windows 1, 2, 3...

then what 95 - windows 4,
98 - windows 5,
me - windows 6,
xp - windows 7,
vista - windows 8,
and windows 7 which is really windows 9?.

I must have counted wrong?

Ray
VMT

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Don't forget
Windows 2000 & Windows For WorkGroups (Win 3.1)

David Bratovich

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> Don't forget
> Windows 2000& Windows For WorkGroups (Win 3.1)

And Windows NT.

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http://www.askvg.com/why-microsoft-used-the-name-windows-7-explanation-inside/

Ray Rippey

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As long as someone is coming up with answers about MS silly naming conventions,
I'd like to get an explanation for ActiveX and OCX instead of VBX version 2 <g>.

Russell B. Eggen
www.radfusion.com

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Russ,

> I'd like to get an explanation for ActiveX and OCX instead of VBX version 2 <g>.

Awful lot of X's there, Russ... you starting a porn business? <g>

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If so, I have some domain suggestions<g>

Jeff Slarve
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I think it was to sell the concept to the C++ guys; real friends don't let
their friends code with VB.
Besides "VBX2" smells bad.

VBX/OLE/OCX/ACTIVE X/COM/DCOM = inline breeding!.

db

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Why do you hate breeding?<g>

Jeff Slarve
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Not breeding in general, just the smell of breeding. <VBG>

David Bratovich

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/me points at MS and states "Wuzzint me!"

Russell B. Eggen
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