What install setup is best for clarion

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Not that I believe wise is dead what is the replace best for clarion.

Cheers Bob

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>
> Not that I believe wise is dead what is the replace best for clarion.
>

Of course, SetupBuilder <g>

www.setupbuilder.com
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Lindersoft is committed to providing quick, easy installation solutions, and
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there really is no other choice.
and not just for Clarion apps - for anything.

cheers
Bruce
www.CapeSoft.com

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> Not that I believe wise is dead what is the replace best for clarion.

SetupBuilder.

Nothing else is even close and NO PRODUCT is any better supported!


Charles

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Setup Builder and NO other installer soft can be compared SO GOOD and
EASY SB is !

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> Not that I believe wise is dead what is the replace best for clarion.

Setupbuilder!

No doubt!


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Has anyone commended SetupBuilder to your attention?



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Bob,

I see all others referring to SetupBuilder as the best choice, but IMHO,
you can give Inno Setup a try.

Your question included "for Clarion", but I think the installation
process is a matter by itself and should be considered as a main task as
well as writing the application.

Inno Setup is a programmer's tool, so it is based on a very, VERY easy
scripting language, which gives you total control of the whole process.
It is easy to write your own support functions, if you need, create
your own dialog boxes, if you need, and call external DLLs/programs, if
you need.

I can send you a real life script so you can have a more solid feeling.

One thing I'd like to mention is that I came to know Inno Setup when I
was searching for alternatives to the then dominant (much probably still
is) Install Shield. With the ever growing Windows complexity, that
thing grew to be a beast of about 200MB -- the installation program of
Install Shield.

Question: how does Inno Setup manage to achieve the very same result
with a free, open source, very light and stable program that amounts to
about 1.5MB?

Just having a looking to be convinced.

http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php

Hope you don't simply enter the band wagon on this one, and do a more
critic/analytic choice. Also, remember that you might have other
development tools in your box, like NetBeans or even, arghh, Delphi.

Gustavo

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> Not that I believe wise is dead what is the replace best for clarion.
>
> Cheers Bob

Bob, take this for a "test drive"!

Product Description - SetupBuilder Developer, MFG - Lindersoft
Internet Link - http://www.lindersoft.com/products_setupbuilder_dev.htm

Yes, Inno is popular, because it's free, but developers save a lot of time
and are more productive with commercially produced and state of the art
development tools - Lindersoft provides amazing support!

If you would spend some time in this newsgroup

softvelocity.clarion.addons.setupbuilder

You would see Friedrich is first class in tending to customer needs.

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Thank you, guys :)

Friedrich

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SetupBuilder. And if you want an alternative, CHT.

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There is no other, and the tech support is fantastic!

If I could only skin the installer...
<sign>
<VBG!>

db

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> Hope you don't simply enter the band wagon on this one, and do
> a more critic/analytic choice. Also, remember that you might
> have other development tools in your box, like NetBeans or even,
> arghh, Delphi.

@Bob: Just for the records. SetupBuilder is completely language
independent. And yes, it *is* written in Clarion! We support 32-bit,
64-bit and even .NET deployment. Quite a few Wise users switched to
SetupBuilder!

The SetupScript scripting language is very easy to learn ("point-and-click")
and SetupBuilder provides web install and web update (live update), binary
patching, a Visual Dialog Editor, API calling (e.g. you can call into your
own Clarion DLLs or Windows APIs), and so much more.

There is a very nice and free "Learning SetupBuilder Part I" available
(including tons of source code examples) and a Developer's Guide in PDF
(500+ pages) and CHM format.

And if you have questions, just drop me a line or post on the SV
SetupBuilder newsgroup or visit our online community. And we even have
Script Writing Consulting available :)

Friedrich

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Friedrich,

> Quite a few Wise users switched to SetupBuilder!

I'm one of those that came into the light and moved to SB. One of the
wisest<g> things I've ever done!

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Thanks for all the input. I am currently using Inno Setup but I will upgrade
to SetupBuilder at some point.

Bob

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If I had time or gave a dang, I'd bet you money on the "same result".
No freaking way it's the same result.

>
>Question: how does Inno Setup manage to achieve the very same result
>with a free, open source, very light and stable program that amounts to
>about 1.5MB?

Jeff Slarve
www.jssoftware.com
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simple test: send an email, and count the time for return repsonse and
_quality_ of response

i can usually count (in minutes) for a response from Friedrich after
the "send" is clicked

....and the question doesnt have to be product related, it can be within
the context of "installation software" and best practices. I'd say he
qualifies as an SME :-)

Pratik

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Bob,

Inno Setup is free, but SetupBuilder is the way to go. Well worth the price
difference <g>

Not only is it a fantastic tool, Friedrich gives the best support I have
ever seen for ANY product of any kind. Seriously!

Ben Morehouse

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The only thing better than Setupbuilder is the support. I once had an
email from Friedrich about the solution before I even asked the question
<g>.

Now if I can only get support like that for my lottery tickets <g>

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> The only thing better than Setupbuilder is the support. I once had
> an email from Friedrich about the solution before I even asked the
> question <g>.

<bg> ;-)

Friedrich

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Have you been in a deep sleep?

SetupBuilder

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> There is no other, and the tech support is fantastic!
>
> If I could only skin the installer...
> <sign>
> <VBG!>

Already on the "wish list" for possible future development ;-)

Friedrich

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AWESOME!

I have the CJ toy suite and allowing the installer to be skinned would
complete the themed look for a few of my special apps. I don't always use
the skins but in those that I do it, would be great to have that ability.


db

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I guess we have to stop calling you a wiseguy

Abe Jimenez

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> Quite a few Wise users switched to SetupBuilder!

Yes, it would be "Wise" to switch <g>.

Tony Tetley

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Pratik,

Just don't misunderstand my statements as meaning Friedrich doesn't have
quality of service or doesn't sell a quality product.

But hey, one has got to understand the reasons for choosing this or that
strategy. Simple statements like "it's the best" or "beats them all"
don't help in the process.

Friedrich mentioned one very important feature, for some at least, which
is differential patching. Those long time Clarion users will remember
RTLinker, a product that excelled at that.

However, my personal goal for distributing a piece of software takes
into consideration that I need to release a version that won't need a
patch every Tuesday. I do that, then I'm doing something seriously wrong.

But then again, that's just me.

Regards
Gustavo

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> Friedrich mentioned one very important feature, for some at least, which
> is differential patching. Those long time Clarion users will remember
> RTLinker, a product that excelled at that.


Actually if I remember correctly it was called RT-Patch.

Roberto Renz

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Gustavo,

> Simple statements like "it's the best" or "beats them all"
> don't help in the process.

It certainly does when those statements are true.

> However, my personal goal for distributing a piece of software takes
> into consideration that I need to release a version that won't need a
> patch every Tuesday. I do that, then I'm doing something seriously wrong.
>
> But then again, that's just me.

I'm rather confused how providing more flexibility in SB lessens it as
a product. At least that's how I'm reading your response.

I dare say Clarion does far more than you need it too but is that a
sound reason not to use it? Answer; no, it's not.

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Jeff,

You have the right to not give a dang, as well as I have mine to favor
non-bloat code.

I know it is old fashioned, but I prefer the comfort of being prepared
for when I say a customer "aks" me why something is not working as it
should, and I have a true answer.

Regards
Gustavo

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Your posts are usually severely bloated, so I guess there's a trade
off.

Jeff Slarve
www.jssoftware.com
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Jeff,

I'll take that as an advise, and try to be more direct.

Thanks
Gustavo

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Gustavo,

> It is easy to write your own support functions, if you need, create
> your own dialog boxes, if you need, and call external DLLs/programs, if
> you need.

All easily doable in SB.

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Lee,

I didn't say it wasn't doable in SB. As a matter of fact, I was
thinking about the way this thread is going, and I can't help asking my
self why, since the only time I mentioned SB in my original reply, was
at the introduction to it.

Then I mentioned InstallShield as being bloated and all.

And the, apparently almost everyone went out flaming me just because I
gave an answer with my considerations, which were, if you read well the
post, not abusive nor offensive in any way either against SB or Mr.
Friedrich.

Geez.. what's wrong with you guys?

Gustavo

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Gustavo,

> Geez.. what's wrong with you guys?

Yesterday was TAX DAY! I rest my case!<g>

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Hehehe!

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Gustavo,

Does Inno offer any kind of discount on a code signing certificate? SB
does, and if you need to code sign your apps and setup programs the savings
pay for SB.

Regards,
Abe

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Hi
Deploymaster
Easy and cheap
http://www.deploymaster.com/

Regards
Bernhard

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God I thought this a simple questions but 34 replies.
Do I dare ask what newsreader you are using.

Bob

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But how many made no mention of SetupBuilder? ;-)

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Bob,

> Do I dare ask what newsreader you are using.

Just look at the headers of the messages and you should know but just
in case<g>... an old version of Forte Agent.

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Hi Bob
SetUp Builder.
And it is not just for Clarion.
Peter

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Bob,

Of course, newsreaders haven't changed much in many years (technology wise
- just prettier interfaces) and going out of style completely for most
companies - use for support - BUT

Most popular commercial version is probably:

Product Description - Agent, MFG - Forte
Internet Link - http://www.forteinc.com/agent/

Free newsgroup reader

Product Description - Thunderbird, MFG - Mozilla
Internet Link - http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/

40tude Dialog is STILL a very good, FREE to use newsgroup client (DO NOT
install to Program Files area in Windows 7), I AM using it as I type.

but no web site URL available now - only CNET download - AND they do a
WRAPPER around the actual download - UGH!

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But let's not start calling him a "Fried Rich" guy!

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Gustavo

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Abe,

Good to know that. Inno doesn't go into specifics of code signing,
leaving it to a call to a sign tool from the script.

Gustavo