No Desktop Icon and My Customers

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Hi,

What's the best way to solve the problem of not installing a desktop icon
(as recommended by Friedrich) and notifying the inexperienced user that he
has installed the software properly.

Obviously I mention this in the final screen of the install but who reads
that?

After the install at first glance it appears nothing has changed.

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> What's the best way to solve the problem of not installing a desktop icon
> (as recommended by Friedrich) and notifying the inexperienced user that he
> has installed the software properly.

I don't have an answer for you, but would like to share a story. Last year.
I tried to install a desktop icon for the users, but in some protected
enviroments, this was not possible. All shortcuts was made by a server
install. Instead of looking around, the user ended up installing the
software again, everytime she needed it.

Bjarne

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You have my customers as your customers. <G>

Lynn

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did she buy a licence at each time also ?
in which case you got a gold mine there too :)

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Hi Lynn,

> What's the best way to solve the problem of not installing a desktop icon
> (as recommended by Friedrich) and notifying the inexperienced user that he
> has installed the software properly.

Hmm, I recommended to not install a Desktop icon?

Friedrich

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Maybe you didn't. <G>

Sorry if I misunderstood your comments about "littering".

So is it "almost" mandatory to ask before installing a single desktop icon?

Lynn

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Hi Lynn,

> Maybe you didn't. <G>

<G>

> Sorry if I misunderstood your comments about "littering".
>
> So is it "almost" mandatory to ask before installing a single desktop
> icon?

IMO, it's a good idea (and an act of politeness) to give your customers an
option so they can decide what to do. Quite a few users don't like Desktop
shortcuts at all (no, they hate Desktop shortcuts <g>).

We are doing the same in the SetupBuilder install (see attached screenshot)
before the "Ready to Install" screen.

Friedrich

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Thanks Friedrich.

I see how to setup the dialog but would you point to a sample app or help
showing how to setup the action for the check box?

I'm having a senior moment. <G>

Lynn

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Never mind BSEG

Lynn Howard

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>
> Never mind BSEG
>

Okay :)

For the record:

Let us assume you are using %ADDITIONAL_TASK% to store the checkbox result.
Checkbox responses are stored as a bitfield, which represents the states of
all displayed checkboxes. For example: 101

Create a Desktop Shortcut [X] (ckecked = 1)
Associate SetupBuilder with .sb5 files [ ] (unchecked = 0)
Associate SetupBuilder with .sb6 files [X] (ckecked = 1)

To install a Desktop shortcut only if the "Create a Desktop Shortcut"
checkbox is marked, add the following If... Statement:

If %ADDITIONAL_TASK% Equals "1" on Position "1" Then
! Add Desktop Shortcut here
End

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It's so easy when you describe it. <G>

Once I figured out it was done in an if statement all became clear.

Thanks for your help.

Lynn

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never did you do that you simply said and that is quite normal do not flood
them with your product links....
lynn :)

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Hi Lynn,

Put a prompt on the exit screen to launch the application. When they click
Finish it automatically launches, which should let them realize pretty
quickly that the application is installed.

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> Put a prompt on the exit screen to launch the application. When they click
> Finish it automatically launches, which should let them realize pretty
> quickly that the application is installed.

You have to be careful on that though.

If the app creates any user specific data on startup or writes to the HKCU
Registry, it will NOT go where it is supposed to go (at least on Vista).

When the installer is running in elevated status and you launch the app at
the end of the install, the app is running under "Lynn the Administrator".

The next time the app is started it will be as "Lynn the User".

This points to a completely different location in both the user's CSIDL for
My Documents as well as for the HKCU.

That is why the general recommendation for Vista is NOT to launch the app
at the end of the install.

Just something to be aware of...

;-)

Charles



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Hi Ben,

>Put a prompt on the exit screen to launch the application. When they click
>Finish it automatically launches, which should let them realize pretty
>quickly that the application is installed.

Bad idea under vista using UCA if the installer is compiled to require
admin rights (most are) but the program installed is linked with a
asInvoker manifest. Then the program run from SB will be run under
the admin account, NOT the user account. So any settings that are
changed in the program while it is elevated may not be stored where
the user sees it when he runs it normally - non elevated.

There are ways to work around this. This was discussed here several
months ago and Jane posted some interesting links involving a trick
(which I have forgot, but I have it filed away somewhere;) how to do
this.

Best regards,

Arnór Baldvinsson
Icetips Creative, Inc.
San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Thanks for the warning Arnor and Charles...

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> Thanks for the warning Arnor and Charles...

Ben,

Matter of fact, when installing in Vista - I now make it a habit - for
those that do offer at the end to run the program - NOPE! :-D

So much so, that when I run a virtual machine for XP (when running Vista as
Host), and install a program under XP, I turn down their run program offer
too, knowing it's safe, but the Vista habit is now entrenched! :-D

David

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Thanks for replying Ben.

I miss DOS. <G>

Lynn

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Yeah, I know what you mean Lynn.... That's why I have a DOS 6.2 VM running
on my machine and get into CPD 2.1 on a regular basis...

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<BG>

Lynn Howard

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> Yeah, I know what you mean Lynn.... That's why I have a DOS 6.2 VM running
> on my machine and get into CPD 2.1 on a regular basis...

Ben,

Well, as long as you love running older OSs, why not put a copy of OS/2
Warp on and do your CPD work - I found that environment very productive for
DOS work!

David

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I actually do have OS/2 Warp (Merlin) on a VM and I used to use it all the
time for CPD work... I could get 735 Mb out of a DOS widnow and there were
times I needed all of it when using the Clarion Report Writer (for DOS)

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> I actually do have OS/2 Warp (Merlin) (V4)

Ben,

I made it to OS/2 Warp V3, used V-com's System Commander to boot it for CPD
work, but mostly was using whatever brand of Windows was out by then.

David

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Hi Ben,

>Thanks for the warning Arnor and Charles...

Welcome:) What I'm doing now is just design everything so that it
will work on Vista. If it does it will work flawlessly on XP also.
So by using Vista as a design base you ensure that your programs also
have backward compatability AND work on the latest:)

Best regards,

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> Welcome:) What I'm doing now is just design everything so that it
> will work on Vista. If it does it will work flawlessly on XP also.
> So by using Vista as a design base you ensure that your programs also
> have backward compatability AND work on the latest:)

Very clever, Arnór :)

Friedrich

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> Hi Ben,
>
>>Thanks for the warning Arnor and Charles...
>
> Welcome:) What I'm doing now is just design everything so that it
> will work on Vista.

Arnór (AND Friedrich - among others),

Let me just say how much I appreciate Clarion developers who embrace the
latest technologies including Vista,

while acknowledging their shortcomings, using their advanced features to
best advantage AND enabling all of us in the Clarion world a better
foothold in the computing marketplace!

David

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Hi David,

>Let me just say how much I appreciate Clarion developers who embrace the
>latest technologies including Vista,

I think you'll be pleased with what I'll be releasing into beta next
week:) And Friedrich too as SB is one of two installers currently
supported;)

Best regards,

Arnór Baldvinsson
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Arnór,

Got a feeling it's going to be a battle of favorite 3rd party products
supporting SetupBuilder between you and Charles! :-D

Of course, the short answer is:

Buy everything LANSRAD and Icetips Creative releases! :-D

David

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Hi David,

>Got a feeling it's going to be a battle of favorite 3rd party products
>supporting SetupBuilder between you and Charles! :-D

Not a Clarion third party product rather a product for developers
(pretty much any language)

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Arnór,

Actually, that is what I meant - SetupBuilder 3rd Party products!

Charles has this almost released:

SetupCast - An automated publishing system for software developers

http://www.setupcast.com/ to support SetupBuilder Web Updates,

and of course, as Friedrich has recently mentioned in the SetupBuilder 7
roadmap:

SoftDefense - ****yzes your Armadillo project files and creates an
intelligent interface to them.

http://www.softdefense.com/

Where SoftDefense and SetupBuilder work together - "SetupBuilder will have
complete control of Armadillo during a build of your installer."

AND, of course, other LANSRAD products on the drawing board and in testing
stages for SetupBuilder, some of which Charles has already given brief
descriptions.

It WILL be interesting to see what your company is introducing!

David

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Hi David,

>Actually, that is what I meant - SetupBuilder 3rd Party products!

Like I said it's a developers tool and it's not a SB 3rd party
either<g> It _can use SetupBuilder but that is only small part of
it:)

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Arnór,

OK, I give UP! :-D

Surprise us on Monday hopefully! Anything that will help us as developers
to deal with Vista in more productive ways is VERY welcome!

David

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Hi David,

>Surprise us on Monday hopefully! Anything that will help us as developers
>to deal with Vista in more productive ways is VERY welcome!

Sorry to be so cryptic<g> Just finishing the beta docs right now and
will be working on the website over the weekend:)

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Give us a hint Arnor! ;-)

>
> I think you'll be pleased with what I'll be releasing into beta next
> week:) And Friedrich too as SB is one of two installers currently
> supported;)

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Hi Russ,

>Give us a hint Arnor! ;-)

I will have some stuff up Monday:) Best I can do right now;)

Best regards,

Arnór Baldvinsson
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Tease! <g>

Looking forward to it.

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